A story of trust.... - Guild Wars Forums

ryanryanryan0310 · Sep 18, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

A guild in my alliance were fighting with each other(mostly officers and the guild leader) about something, I have no clue what about

. The next day the guild leader log's on, presses G and see's he has no members. Checks the loggs and see's that one of his officers kicked all 75

of his members and then left the guild. Now what was once a 85+ guild is nothing more than a few officers and one pissed off leader.

What I learned about this: Always make sure you don't got a 5-12 old officer and people get

vengeful

very easy.

This story is for all the guild leaders who want to make someone an officer, there's a big trust issue involve in it.

Diablo??? · Sep 18, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Ouch! that must've really sucked.

Gigashadow · Sep 18, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Well, if the guild had any kind of community (rather than being a giant zerg of random invites where nobody knows each other) I'm sure most of those people will contact each other and figure out how to get together again.

lightblade · Sep 18, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

I guess it's the leader's fault...

He/She didn't choose his/her officiers wisely. Officiers are suppose to be loyal followers of the leader and they shouldn't even be fighting.

Reza · Sep 19, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

ae u from TLS alliance ryan? cuz a guild in there had same story...

Eviance · Sep 19, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20

Our guild leader gets together with the full council and we sit and discuss who would make officer material and then we watch and wait or if we've already done the watching and waiting we simply call them in and offer the position to them.

Believe it or not we had one guy who didn't think he would make a very good officer but all of our officers thus far have been fully agreed upon by our 8member council.
It sucks when things like that happen - Even when an officer should follow his leader without question he is free to leave no one is holding him there.... No reason to split the guild unless he's just a royal "blank". =/ If the guild has any backbone for its leader it will merge back to what it was (forums are great for things like this btw) and without the idiot officer.

Former Ruling · Sep 19, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

This is a problem we are trying to convince our leader of. Right now we have it where he officers almost anyone that is active or GvGs regularly with us (not only a core 8-10)

One day its going to bite us.

Apoc Geddon · Sep 20, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Heh, I had a similiar experience, except my guild is small and we only had one member. The rest were officers. The one member was my second account. One of the officers abruptly left for no particular reason and kicked my second account out of the guild.

Electric Sky · Sep 20, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

again the trust issues between guildies ..........

Phaern Majes · Sep 20, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Had that happen once. I promoted the guy cause he said he'd go recruit. Instead he kept spamming "Everyone to GH for gvg" I kept saying no, we don't even have 6 people on. So after it got unusually quite I hit "g" and saw I was memberless :S. Luckily I only had about 15 members when he kicked them so I just reinvited them back (after booting him). But I learned a lesson there.

teenchi · Sep 22, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Ugh, I know. Everytime I promote someone to officer, I get a little nervous. I usually don't let people be officers until they've been in the guild a minimum of a month and I don't let my other officers promote officers. Sorry that happened to you.

Mars Djinn06 · Sep 23, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

I was wandering if that had happened to anyone else. I had a similar experience before. I was the leader of my own guild with around 30 members. I logged off and the next day, i pressed G and saw my guild members were all gone, and only 4 officers were left on the roster. One of the officers kicked everyone. So then i decided to disband my guild and join another after another after another. I joined a total of 5 other guilds before deciding to start again with my best mate as an officer. I also get nervous when promoting people in the new guild i am in now. I am not sure if the officer will kick people out like the other person, so then i will depromote that officer when im offline. Then I will promote when i get back online.

This all changed when that officer did not kick any people when he was an officer and i was online. I could trust that person not to do such a thing. Lesson here is to only promote people who you can really really trust to be an officer.

I started my new guild about 3 weeks ago, and we have a total of 31 members (6 officers) who i can trust!

tomcruisejr · Sep 25, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

there are a few things that non-officers/new members dont know/understand about a guild, especially if it is a one where seniority matters (look @ your highschool and college frats/soros). try to look at different angles. maybe one of its officers recruit too much and another officer felt it was a mistake or something. try get into the inner circle and maybe youll understand it.

oh wait, the one who kicked the members also left the guild. lesson: let time go by before you trust someone.

shrouded^god · Sep 25, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

This is a problem spanning across all games, I play BF2 online and we always have one person who earns trust, becomes a co-leader and loses 10 matches or so to eff up our record...its just one of those things...

Wrath Of Dragons · Sep 25, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

make them all officers! works better for smaller guilds, but eliminates that issue completely

Cyan The Archer · Sep 26, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27

If you are an officer, and notice one of the other officeres going crazy kicking everyone then promote all members. The officer wont be able to kick them anymore. Of course you would need a Guild Leader to demote them after, but it's better than having him kick them all. (Happened to one of my guilds)

abyssal hunter · Sep 26, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

i had the exact opposite heppen to my guild, one of my officers got pissed then promoted everyone then left. but instead of getting mad we made it a competition, who ever reqruited the most people got a prize (like 5k) and stayed an officer

Sep 18, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44	#1
ryanryanryan0310 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS]	A story of trust.... A guild in my alliance were fighting with each other(mostly officers and the guild leader) about something, I have no clue what about. The next day the guild leader log's on, presses G and see's he has no members. Checks the loggs and see's that one of his officers kicked all 75 of his members and then left the guild. Now what was once a 85+ guild is nothing more than a few officers and one pissed off leader. What I learned about this: Always make sure you don't got a 5-12 old officer and people get vengeful very easy. This story is for all the guild leaders who want to make someone an officer, there's a big trust issue involve in it.

Sep 25, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#13
tomcruisejr Banned Join Date: Apr 2005	there are a few things that non-officers/new members dont know/understand about a guild, especially if it is a one where seniority matters (look @ your highschool and college frats/soros). try to look at different angles. maybe one of its officers recruit too much and another officer felt it was a mistake or something. try get into the inner circle and maybe youll understand it. oh wait, the one who kicked the members also left the guild. lesson: let time go by before you trust someone. Last edited by tomcruisejr; Sep 25, 2006 at 03:16 AM // 03:16..

Sep 18, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51	#2
Diablo??? Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: SPQR Profession: N/R	Ouch! that must've really sucked.

Sep 18, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09	#3
Gigashadow Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellevue, WA Profession: W/	Well, if the guild had any kind of community (rather than being a giant zerg of random invites where nobody knows each other) I'm sure most of those people will contact each other and figure out how to get together again.

Sep 18, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40	#4
lightblade Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Etereal Guard Profession: Me/Mo	I guess it's the leader's fault... He/She didn't choose his/her officiers wisely. Officiers are suppose to be loyal followers of the leader and they shouldn't even be fighting.

Sep 19, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#5
Reza Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: The Fellowship Of The King [King]	ae u from TLS alliance ryan? cuz a guild in there had same story...

Sep 19, 2006, 05:20 AM // 05:20	#6
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	Our guild leader gets together with the full council and we sit and discuss who would make officer material and then we watch and wait or if we've already done the watching and waiting we simply call them in and offer the position to them. Believe it or not we had one guy who didn't think he would make a very good officer but all of our officers thus far have been fully agreed upon by our 8member council. It sucks when things like that happen - Even when an officer should follow his leader without question he is free to leave no one is holding him there.... No reason to split the guild unless he's just a royal "blank". =/ If the guild has any backbone for its leader it will merge back to what it was (forums are great for things like this btw) and without the idiot officer.

Sep 19, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36	#7
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	This is a problem we are trying to convince our leader of. Right now we have it where he officers almost anyone that is active or GvGs regularly with us (not only a core 8-10) One day its going to bite us.

Sep 20, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35	#8
Apoc Geddon Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA Guild: Anti Robot Movement [InD] Profession: W/E	Heh, I had a similiar experience, except my guild is small and we only had one member. The rest were officers. The one member was my second account. One of the officers abruptly left for no particular reason and kicked my second account out of the guild.

Sep 20, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54	#9
Electric Sky Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006	again the trust issues between guildies ..........

Sep 20, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10	#10
Phaern Majes Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anywhere but up Guild: The Panserbjorne [ROAR] Profession: R/Mo	Had that happen once. I promoted the guy cause he said he'd go recruit. Instead he kept spamming "Everyone to GH for gvg" I kept saying no, we don't even have 6 people on. So after it got unusually quite I hit "g" and saw I was memberless :S. Luckily I only had about 15 members when he kicked them so I just reinvited them back (after booting him). But I learned a lesson there.

Sep 22, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36	#11
teenchi Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: PST Guild: Heros of Titans Realm [HotR] Profession: W/Mo	Ugh, I know. Everytime I promote someone to officer, I get a little nervous. I usually don't let people be officers until they've been in the guild a minimum of a month and I don't let my other officers promote officers. Sorry that happened to you.

Sep 23, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30	#12
Mars Djinn06 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Adepts of Hesperia [Sun] Profession: E/D	I was wandering if that had happened to anyone else. I had a similar experience before. I was the leader of my own guild with around 30 members. I logged off and the next day, i pressed G and saw my guild members were all gone, and only 4 officers were left on the roster. One of the officers kicked everyone. So then i decided to disband my guild and join another after another after another. I joined a total of 5 other guilds before deciding to start again with my best mate as an officer. I also get nervous when promoting people in the new guild i am in now. I am not sure if the officer will kick people out like the other person, so then i will depromote that officer when im offline. Then I will promote when i get back online. This all changed when that officer did not kick any people when he was an officer and i was online. I could trust that person not to do such a thing. Lesson here is to only promote people who you can really really trust to be an officer. I started my new guild about 3 weeks ago, and we have a total of 31 members (6 officers) who i can trust!

Sep 25, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29	#14
shrouded^god IGN: J C A C H E Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 843 Guild: [Liar]	This is a problem spanning across all games, I play BF2 online and we always have one person who earns trust, becomes a co-leader and loses 10 matches or so to eff up our record...its just one of those things...

Sep 25, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36	#15
Wrath Of Dragons Burninate Stuff Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Mexico Profession: E/Mo	make them all officers! works better for smaller guilds, but eliminates that issue completely

Sep 26, 2006, 02:27 PM // 14:27	#16
Cyan The Archer Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Denmark Profession: R/	If you are an officer, and notice one of the other officeres going crazy kicking everyone then promote all members. The officer wont be able to kick them anymore. Of course you would need a Guild Leader to demote them after, but it's better than having him kick them all. (Happened to one of my guilds)

Sep 26, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27	#17
abyssal hunter Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Guardians Of The Ashes (Leader) Profession: E/Me	i had the exact opposite heppen to my guild, one of my officers got pissed then promoted everyone then left. but instead of getting mad we made it a competition, who ever reqruited the most people got a prize (like 5k) and stayed an officer